Interview with the President! A new podcast from Genuine Evaluation

This week we hinted on twitter that we’d have a high-profile guest to interview.

Today, Jane Davidson interviews the President! [Sorry, folks; we couldn’t resist playing with this in the run-up to the US elections! We debated it and agreed before we started the interview, of course. :) ]

Yes, it’s Professor Rodney Hopson, president of the American Evaluation Association, talking about his conference theme for this year Evaluation in Complex Ecologies, what that means, and what he’d like us to think about in Minnesota.

Click “play” below to listen to the interview, or access it on our Blog Talk Radio page.

And don’t forget to subscribe to the Genuine Evaluation podcast feed! Download the three interviews we have so far, and stimulate your mind during the travel downtime en route to Minneapolis! And if you can’t make the conference this year, enjoy the interviews anyway.

We’ll be blogging and tweeting from the conference, so stand by!

5 comments to Interview with the President! A new podcast from Genuine Evaluation

  • Jane this is so exciting! Congratulations on your new e-book and now your podcast!!! :)

    Awesome! I cannot wait to listen to this in its entirety. Thank you for bringing such fresh concepts and ideas :)


  • Thanks, Karen! I’m having a lot of fun with it. :)

  • Chad Green

    Thanks for sharing! I believe I’ve captured Rodney’s message at the tail end of the interview below. What is the source of this passage again?

    “There will be no pretty little pictures of logic models, theories of action, theories of change, or whatever you want to call or confuse these graphic conceptual models, used and abused without careful and critical thinking about their use at various stages in development and serious thematic evaluations. Funders and clients will not require that we focus only on goals and objectives. In fact, we will do our damnedest to stay away from them and those who run these programs since their story is not likely the one that has most merit. The revolution will not be evaluated.”


  • He’s brilliant, isn’t he?

    That was one verse from a rap Rodney composed and performed at the August 2011 Claremont symposium to honor Michael Scriven – a Scrivenesque evaluative interpretation of Gil Scott-Heron’s “the revolution will not be televised” (here are the lyrics for that one:

    Rodney has promised a full performance of “The Revolution Will Not Be Evaluated” one of these days – hopefully one for the Genuine Evaluation podcast feed!

    Gotta love having a presidential rock star! :)

  • Chad Green

    Yes, much like a gift that keeps on giving. :)

    Speaking of which, are you familiar with Bent Flyvbjerg’s latest work? I consider his ideas on phronetic social science the most thought-provoking, realistic, and exemplary of Aristotle’s teachings. Its focus on the reflexive analysis of values and power make it a good fit for our field of research.

    Here’s a review of his latest book Real Social Science:

    Would love to hear your thoughts on this approach.